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		<title>By: Seamus Anthony</title>
		<link>http://www.rebelzen.com/2008/09/why-you-will-never-achieve-enlightenment/comment-page-1/#comment-943</link>
		<dc:creator>Seamus Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 00:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mike,

Yes you are right, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rebelzen.com/2008/07/looking-through-the-wrong-end-of-the-telescope/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I don&#039;t KNOW anything&lt;/a&gt; for certain but rather than just &quot;guessing&quot;, this is what I have found to be true enough within the limited realm of my experiences to feel pretty certain that I am on to something here at least. I came to these conclusions by doing lots of meditation, reading and contemplation. 

Anyway, thanks for taking the time to leave such a positive and constructive comment; thanks to you I&#039;ve really woken up to myself and the error of my ways. (Now get the hell out of my blog.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike,</p>
<p>Yes you are right, <a href="http://www.rebelzen.com/2008/07/looking-through-the-wrong-end-of-the-telescope/" rel="nofollow">I don&#8217;t KNOW anything</a> for certain but rather than just &#8220;guessing&#8221;, this is what I have found to be true enough within the limited realm of my experiences to feel pretty certain that I am on to something here at least. I came to these conclusions by doing lots of meditation, reading and contemplation. </p>
<p>Anyway, thanks for taking the time to leave such a positive and constructive comment; thanks to you I&#8217;ve really woken up to myself and the error of my ways. (Now get the hell out of my blog.)</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.rebelzen.com/2008/09/why-you-will-never-achieve-enlightenment/comment-page-1/#comment-942</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 20:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yawn....and give me a break!  How do you KNOW this is true?  You make these claims as if you know and all you are doing is guessing at best....how tiring, how predictable....and, may I say...it all sounds like a flurry of words saying nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yawn&#8230;.and give me a break!  How do you KNOW this is true?  You make these claims as if you know and all you are doing is guessing at best&#8230;.how tiring, how predictable&#8230;.and, may I say&#8230;it all sounds like a flurry of words saying nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Tao</title>
		<link>http://www.rebelzen.com/2008/09/why-you-will-never-achieve-enlightenment/comment-page-1/#comment-781</link>
		<dc:creator>Tao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure you went as far as I would, and looking at the reader responses then you were lucky you didn&#039;t, but I will step in and push it further. 

&lt;b&gt;You can not achieve, or even realize, enlightenment because when you are one, then by definition there can be no other - especially no you! &lt;/b&gt;

Enlightenment has no doer and no done so anyone seeking it is failing as a person stepping forward to achieve standing still. 

If the ego wants enlightenment then it will want it forever, this can not be achieved or realized. Enlightenment is right there as you say, but not there as opposed to your here, not in space not in time, just ...&quot;&quot; 

It comes to the non-you as you un-look and as soon as you realize, it goes. Luckily from that perspective the fact of ego being nothing but fabrication is strikingly apparent and can be dissolved with absolute conviction. 

No method obtains it as a method requires a doer. No I achieves is as that is precisely what is lost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure you went as far as I would, and looking at the reader responses then you were lucky you didn&#8217;t, but I will step in and push it further. </p>
<p><b>You can not achieve, or even realize, enlightenment because when you are one, then by definition there can be no other &#8211; especially no you! </b></p>
<p>Enlightenment has no doer and no done so anyone seeking it is failing as a person stepping forward to achieve standing still. </p>
<p>If the ego wants enlightenment then it will want it forever, this can not be achieved or realized. Enlightenment is right there as you say, but not there as opposed to your here, not in space not in time, just &#8230;&#8221;" </p>
<p>It comes to the non-you as you un-look and as soon as you realize, it goes. Luckily from that perspective the fact of ego being nothing but fabrication is strikingly apparent and can be dissolved with absolute conviction. </p>
<p>No method obtains it as a method requires a doer. No I achieves is as that is precisely what is lost.</p>
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		<title>By: Seamus Anthony</title>
		<link>http://www.rebelzen.com/2008/09/why-you-will-never-achieve-enlightenment/comment-page-1/#comment-317</link>
		<dc:creator>Seamus Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 06:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Harmony - thank YOU for your insights also. 

@Meiliken and Lobster - forgive me but I am not sure if you were both being sarcastic or too clever for me (woosh - the sound of comments going right over my head!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Harmony &#8211; thank YOU for your insights also. </p>
<p>@Meiliken and Lobster &#8211; forgive me but I am not sure if you were both being sarcastic or too clever for me (woosh &#8211; the sound of comments going right over my head!)</p>
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		<title>By: Harmony</title>
		<link>http://www.rebelzen.com/2008/09/why-you-will-never-achieve-enlightenment/comment-page-1/#comment-314</link>
		<dc:creator>Harmony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 05:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unlike our very consumer oriented society where Time is Money and You Are What You Can Buy, enlightenment just IS.  It&#039;s not a location to be found but an essence to be experiencced.  Thank you for a really great post.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Harmonys last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://goldenzen.wordpress.com/2008/09/24/the-power-broker-bust-pt-2-of-4/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Power Broker Bust (pt 2 of 4)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unlike our very consumer oriented society where Time is Money and You Are What You Can Buy, enlightenment just IS.  It&#8217;s not a location to be found but an essence to be experiencced.  Thank you for a really great post.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Harmonys last blog post..<a href="http://goldenzen.wordpress.com/2008/09/24/the-power-broker-bust-pt-2-of-4/" rel="nofollow">The Power Broker Bust (pt 2 of 4)</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Lobster</title>
		<link>http://www.rebelzen.com/2008/09/why-you-will-never-achieve-enlightenment/comment-page-1/#comment-297</link>
		<dc:creator>Lobster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Believing there is nothing to achieve is no realisation
and realising you have achieved Nothing
is quite an achievement.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Lobsters last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://tmxxine.com/y/wikka.php?wakka=HomePage/show?time=.2008-06-24+12%3A12%3A58&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2008-06-24 12:12:58&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Believing there is nothing to achieve is no realisation<br />
and realising you have achieved Nothing<br />
is quite an achievement.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Lobsters last blog post..<a href="http://tmxxine.com/y/wikka.php?wakka=HomePage/show?time=.2008-06-24+12%3A12%3A58" rel="nofollow">2008-06-24 12:12:58</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Meiliken</title>
		<link>http://www.rebelzen.com/2008/09/why-you-will-never-achieve-enlightenment/comment-page-1/#comment-294</link>
		<dc:creator>Meiliken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, spoken or rather typed, like someone who knows nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, spoken or rather typed, like someone who knows nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Seamus Anthony</title>
		<link>http://www.rebelzen.com/2008/09/why-you-will-never-achieve-enlightenment/comment-page-1/#comment-293</link>
		<dc:creator>Seamus Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, for example Alex&#039;s frustration at my nit-picking and desire that I would shut up and go away ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, for example Alex&#8217;s frustration at my nit-picking and desire that I would shut up and go away <img src='http://www.rebelzen.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of what is here now is frustration and desire.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Evans last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Wellbeingandhealthnet/~3/399370465/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Surprise!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of what is here now is frustration and desire.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Evans last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Wellbeingandhealthnet/~3/399370465/" rel="nofollow">Surprise!</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Seamus Anthony</title>
		<link>http://www.rebelzen.com/2008/09/why-you-will-never-achieve-enlightenment/comment-page-1/#comment-289</link>
		<dc:creator>Seamus Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, overcoming your barriers to realising enlightenment is an achievement, you&#039;re right, so we agree. But you don&#039;t achieve enlightenment, you are already inherently enlightened. So my point stands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, overcoming your barriers to realising enlightenment is an achievement, you&#8217;re right, so we agree. But you don&#8217;t achieve enlightenment, you are already inherently enlightened. So my point stands.</p>
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